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وُلِدَ طاهر بن جلون عام ١٩٤٤ في مدينة فاس في المملكة المغربية. ودرس الفلسفة في جامعة محمد ٥ في الرباط, وحصل على البكالوريوس. إنه شرك في إحتجاجات الطالب على الحكومة المغربية. لهذا * جندي في جيش سنة ونصف.
بعد ذلك نشر محرر المجلة الثقافية ’سوفل’ شعره طويل. إنه كان أول نشر له. فبعد ذلك كتب مقالات باللغة الفرنس إلى جريدة ’سوفل’. عام ١٩٧١, الف تسة مئة وحد وسبعين ذهب إلى الفرنسا لدرس الطب نفسي
في جامعة سوربون في باريس.
في جامعة سوربون في باريس.
ثم حصل على الدكتورات وبدأ أن كتب مقالات على/ب/إلى جريدة مشهورة ’لا موند’.
2
نشرت هذه الرواية في عام ٢٠٠٠ = الفين, وكتبها بعد محادثة ساعتين فقط مع سجين سابق مغربي الذي كان يزور مدينة باريس. إنه كان سجين في سجن تارمامارت في المغرب.
3
أكتب الآن لأفهم هذه القصة. فيها يصف الراوٍ حياتات السجناء حتى الموت في سجن دون النور. فكل حياة تكمل من موتها. وكل مرة يسمي رجل, فحقيقةً سيموت قريباً.
4
إن هناك كثير طريق للبقاء في السجن. فيصفهم طاهر بن جلون بين قصص الموت.
There are many methods to stay sane and survive in prison. (So) T B J describes them in-between his descriptions of fellow prisoners' deaths.
5
أريد أن أقرأ أكثر عن خبرات الراوٍ بعد إطلاقمه من السجن وأريد أن أعلم عن شعوره عن تحرره.
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The most in-depth discussion I have found is on Google Books - here
FT review
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Oxygene - The Ocean
Enigma - 'Mea Culpa'
إن هناك كثير طريق للبقاء في السجن. فيصفهم طاهر بن جلون بين قصص الموت.
There are many methods to stay sane and survive in prison. (So) T B J describes them in-between his descriptions of fellow prisoners' deaths.
5
أريد أن أقرأ أكثر عن خبرات الراوٍ بعد إطلاقمه من السجن وأريد أن أعلم عن شعوره عن تحرره.
The most in-depth discussion I have found is on Google Books - here
FT review
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Oxygene - The Ocean
Enigma - 'Mea Culpa'
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Full corrections
Full corrections
طاهر بن جلون
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ُوِلد طاهر بن جلون عام ۱۹٤٤ في مدينة فاس في المملكة المغربية. ودرس الفلسفة في جامعة محمد الخامس في الرباط, وحصل على البكالوريوس. شارك في إحتجاجات الطلاب ضد الحكومة المغربية. كان جندي في الجيش لسنة ونصف.
بعد ذلك نشر محرر المجلة الثقافية ’سوفل’ شعره الطويل. إنه كان أول نشر له. فبعد ذلك كتب مقالات باللغة الفرنسية لجريدة .’سوفل’. عام ۱۹۷۱, الف و تسعة مئة و واحد وسبعين ذهب إلى فرنسا ليدرس الطب النفسي و الاجتماعي في جامعة السوربون في باريس
.’ثم حصل على الدكتوراة وبدأ يكتب مقالات على/ب/إلى جريدة مشهورة ’لا موند 2
نشر هذه الرواية في عام ۲۰۰۰ الفين, وكتبها بعد محادثة ساعتين فقط مع سجين سابق مغربي كان يزور مدينة باريس. .إنه كان سجين في سجن تارمامارت في المغرب
3
I couldn't understand number 3
4 .إن هناك طرق كثيرة للبقاء حيا في السجن. فيصفهم طاهر بن جلون بين قصص موت زملاءه السجناء
There are many methods to stay sane and survive in prison. (So) T B J describes them in between his descriptions of fellow prisoners' deaths.
5 .أريد أن أقرأ أكثر عن خبرة الراٍوي بعد إطلاقه من السجن وأريد أن أعلم عن شعور تحرره
There are other corrections, but I can't deal with all that now. I'll look at them carefully when I can.
ReplyDeleteThis will take a long time. I looked at the first section this evening and it took ages, what with wandering around in the dictionary and working out what each word means. Yes, I wrote the original, but it's not my natural level, it's several steps beyond that. And the corrected version is sort of from Mars every so often. I mean I have never heard the word 'didda' before in my life! Nor any variation of it either. I thought it was an error until I found it in the dictionary.
ReplyDeleteOk, all looked at, but I have now lost my English and French rewriting of the 3rd section. The Arabic was sadly not comprehensible - how disappointing is that? It's always the most crucial bit which doesn't work. Now it's my turn to know what that feels like, horrible.
ReplyDeleteThis what I actually wrote about what it's like:
ReplyDeleteI am trying to describe to myself the feeling of disappointment when the one thing I was really trying to and wanted to convey hasn't worked and is in fact jumble. It's like walking along and going smack-bang into a shut glass door. I'm being sort of bounced back into my own head. The opposite of communication, the opposite of smug success. Feeling foolish, bah, that's it, just stupid and a bit sad. No, sadder than that. But not actually distraught.
I am tidying up this post, so the untidy notes are going here now:
ReplyDelete...
This is the section with corrections: أكتب الآن لأفهم هذه القصة. يصف فيها الراوي انتهاء حياة السجناء في السجن دون يرو النور. فكل مرة تنتهي حياة رجل .
So all the rest is relatively ok,.
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1. 1st section
جامعة محمد الخامس
Don't write 5 or V, but use the word for fifth.
Drop the إنه
I don't know why.
شارك is correct
I think this is the form III, the one with alif after the first letter, not the form I I guessed at.
Wehr says this means to take part in an event with other people p547
http://arabic.desert-sky.net/g_vforms.html
oh joy, all the forms explained :) why has this taken sooooo long to find
and it's not particularly memorable either, i will have to write my own version......
[oh, x used instead of kh, that's truly wierd]
الطلاب
I got alif lam back to front here, oops
look at all these changes of font
ضِدَّ - didda
means 'against'
إحتجاجات ضِدَّ الحكومة = protests against* the government
كان جندي
= he was a soldier, I don't know what I was thinking when I put something else entirely, ??
في الجيش لسنة ونصف
in the army for a year and a half = actually an exact translation, very rare in arabic :)
no idea why i didn't put the* army, probably because I am so used to arabic speakers missing out the the, so I take those errors as my infallible guide to writing arabic, lol
i drop it in english myself now, who needs the anyway?
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1. 2nd section
باللغة الفرنسية - i forgot the entire ending to French
لجريدة - in (the) newspaper
ل - this conveys all sorts of connecting meanings - li
الف وتسعة مئة وواحد وسبعين
The numbers
إلى فرنسا
no ال needed
ليدرس الطب
to study medicine, use imperfect after ل - li
الطب النفسي و الاجتماعي
add ال before each of the words psychology and sociology
the medicine the mental/of the mind and the social/of the social
جامعة السوربون
University the Sorbonne = The Sorbonne
ال again
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The process now involves a simple English version plus a more explanatory English version.
ReplyDeleteSection 3 was originally unclear in my Arabic. So this is my English explanation:
3.
أكتب الآن لأفهم هذه القصة. فيها يصف الراوٍ حياتات السجناء حتى الموت في سجن دون النور. فكل حياة تكمل من موتها. وكل مرة يسمي رجل, فحقيقةً سيموت قريباً.
I am trying to say this:
I am writing now in order to understand the story =
By asking myself to write about this book, I am making myself find the most important aspects of it, I mean the ones which mean the most to me. Then I make myself express that in Arabic, but all I can use are very simple words.
In it the narrator describes the lives of prisoners as they come closer to and meet death in that dark prison =
I came to realise that every time the narrator named or described a fellow prisoner this indicated that he was now in the run up to death. Naming him marked him out. Every person had an individual way of living and also of deteriorating mentally and physically until death.
Each life was completed by death =
I mean that the manner of each person's path towards death and the details of the actual death in the book reflect how in real life these elements seem to me to be an essential part of their whole story, even if the events are not reflective of their values or in any way deserved.
I was in such trouble trying to write in English for that section 3 that I resorted to French. Here is my paragraph:
ReplyDeleteAlors - j'ecris pour comprendre cette enfilade d'histoires. La voix du recitant me donne les vies des prisonniers des un moment ou la mort commence a s'annoncer dans leur vie. La coeur de chaque homme dans ce trou prive de toute lumiere se revele dans sa traversee unique de la vie a la mort. Les vies de tous les hommes nommes ou decrives avec soin se debouchent a la mort, et chaque mort donne quelque chose de nouveau a l'histoire de leur vie, quelque chose inexplicable, unpredictable, undeniable, I don't have a word for this, it is so very important, the completing of each life.
I find it so beautiful and natural, my shift from French into English, turning on the one French word which is spelt in exactly the same way in English.
ReplyDeleteMy mother's text messages morph from French into English mid-phrase. I love that. I love the way we use little snippets of French on my family because we can.
In*
ReplyDeletewhen i wrote that piece in arabic about the book i assumed that this was the start of a new era of reading a book in translation from arabic each month, followed by thinking and writing about it in arabic. so a major step forwards towards what i expect to be able to do easily soon. well, that did not happen at all. this was the only review/comment piece i have written. my life went in a different direction that summer and this beautiful hope and plan has gone for the moment.
ReplyDeletein its place is studying shami, levantine spoken arabic, but even that is so demanding that i am not sure how to gather the energy to continue.